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Some how most of part six was deleted by this site. I don't know how to get it back. Sorry that the talk is not complete as I'd hoped it to be.

Black Sun Light Sun (part six)

(that's my question then,worship is a state of conditioned man) Well, isn't it? don't ask me, ask yourself. What goes on in your mind. Would you have ever felt inclined to do it had you not been taught to do it? (no never) Okay, does that help answer it? (It is not a peaceful thing to punch somebody Else's blame button or stand up for my rights button, is that not necessarily a peaceful act?) Well it all depends on the circumstance, see how it all works out for you. If it starts a little war with them, well you find out. (what if it starts a war in them and not with me) Well, that all depends on you. It's whether you are being peaceful or whether your starting it, there's no rules. You see, to be conscious you require no rules. To be conditioned you must have a set of rules. You know you got to be programed. (I was looking up a definition of peace with oneself) Well what's peace to you?(ideals)okay, that's alright. Having seen you've been peaceful yourself, you wouldn't deliberately go and upset another one unless they asked for it, would you? I wouldn't know how, I wouldn't bother with it. I don't know what the other guys doing.Cause I can't be peaceful for him any more than I can drink a glass of water for him. But if my purpose is to be at peace this moment, not all day now, you see the minute I make it all day I begin to be anxious don't I? I got to get it done tonight. But if I'm just being peaceful this moment there's no sweat, okay, Virgina; (well why does it seem to me that most man was always striving for something higher than oneself, something higher?) Well what do you know it's higher? He's always struggled for an ideal because he thought he would be more comfortable then is that right? In other words, he wants that when he wants this. You call that higher, isn't that correct now? (or better) Well whatever. He wants that when he has this. Because no matter how much pleasure he's got he always decides it's not quite enough, you know, and no matter how much attention he's getting he always wants more. And so then the ideal is always beyond him like the (end of tape)

Black Sun Light Sun (part five)

I ask you what it feels like in there not what it sounds like..We're not working for agreement, we're trying to arouse a proposition to watch what goes on in you're head. Right? If it goes on in your head well that's terrible, what he's sayin' you know, you know somethin' about yourself then don't you? Or do you know what's going on in there. you don't even know, huh? you can usually see, if you look to see what's going on you can usually see, you know it's always a thought kickin' around in there, you respond in some way to every statement made, do you not? Don't you? In some ways that responded by saying, well that's horrible, by saying this will kill you, hmm?  It will. At first it will make you sick and then it will kill you if you keep it up long enough and all of it's information from here. The constant conflict, the constant civil war goes on in there, it'll kill you. If you turn it in from here it will give you all that's wonderful. Did you ever try that Joseph? (I've tried it.) What did it happen? (I lived wonderfully for a few days)So then you have reason to love this, when otherwise you have reason to fear it, right? because it has the power to destroy, right? So when we remove our superstitions about what's going on. Now man has felt all these forces pulling upon him, they're all within him, but he thinks of them as outside. So he has made Gods, Devils, all sorts of things out of them, and he let the word get out that if you wanted to find him, you have to find him within yourself. So that seems to bear out that that's where you will find it. But as long as you have a preconceived opinion that makes you comfortable, and believe what some authority told you with out investigating it yourself. With out looking and seeing what's going on there, just saying well I read here, I read there, and somebody told me this. Why of course you're just keeping this sound off all the time, you see. Hmm? Just playing it off like one of these tape recorders does. And nothing really goes. But if we stop and look at that thing and begin to see what it says, and see what it reacts like, how it responds, then you make all of this conscious.  Now you have become acquainted with the devil, you know? First off you get acquainted with him. He's a pretty good guy I know about. Then you can begin to be acquainted with this, hmm? But without this we sit here and never get aware, and we react, and after something terrible has happened to us and very uncomfortable and produced a lot of pain, all we really do is jump over here and see what to blame, don't we? So that's as far as we go with it. So man has called this a devil, this a god, and he didn't even know about this one, he said he knew how to stand up, hammer a nail in a piece of wood, he knew to write, he knew how to digest his food, and if he didn't digest his food, he knew which pill to take, you know? He knows all about that. But really he has never stopped to see that he really doesn't know how to wiggle a finger. He can only be aware that he even wants to wiggle a finger, and then X wiggles it. But you haven't the faintest idea of which muscles go to use it do you, but you don't know how to use it (inaudible) but you can just walk away(inaudible) but you don't know how wiggle it. So when you see that all the work is done by this, regardless is that work is destroying you, or whether that work is building you up, it all depends on where it gets it's information. Does it then seem that it would be reasonable that we would get conscious enough to see where it's information going. Now we're trying to be non disturbed,safe,etc. we're still back in the same old boat.
But if we stop and say, 'Well I'm through with that one, I'm going to set it aside for a week" You know it's like you're working on a chair and you're gonna build chairs, and you've got  it about 3/4th's done and you decide you're gonna set it over aside and do something else, you know? So for this moment I am only going to be peaceful. Now if you're going to be peaceful you got to use your head you got to be a little aware, you can't depend on the belly brain to use it, you got to be aware, is that right? Because you're liable to drive in front of me and the person goes"phhhght!"  but otherwise I step on the brakes, slow back, change lanes, I let you in, I'm only interested in being peaceful, I'm not interested in sticking up for my rights, huh? Right? If I am going along and something goes wrong, I don't say, "what do I blame for it?" "what caused it?" I see what can I do about it to get it towards peaceful for me immediately. Do I have to have this? You can't depend on this reaction bit to do it. Huh? Now it only requires that I chose to do it. Who do I ordain, the black man, or do I ordain the light one. Hmm? Which one Joseph?Now we've all ordained the black man, haven't we? We've made him have the power, and we have let him run the life and so far he's made a pretty royal mess out of it, is that right? Hmm? After a while as long as you stay in civil war, 'cause that's what you're askin' it to do. You put up a fight it right in there fightin' you want to fight this one this week it will keep right on fighting (and then you run out of adaptation) and then you're dead. But if you want to put this one under this week will he put it under? Yeah he'll suppress it so you won't even think of it, but you know next week will he have to do this one? Yeah, sure will. Will he switch 20 times a day for you? Right? So then you see that X is pleased which ever way it goes. It really is not concerned. But ordinarily we really want it to be a certain way and we've built up a superstitious idea about X that it of course got it's instructions the same place I did. You know, it got it's instructions the same place, like I want to but can't quite do. Is that right?Huh?(That's the superstition) Okay, then let's look at the superstition, find it's working, and when we look at it maybe we can drop it after a while okay? suppose we take a few minutes now for questions now, okay? Let's see how the mind has been working. Joseph you're number one. (I um I can give intellectual assent to this, and I think I understand it, and I think it's great, but I run into a problem continuously) because you want to do it for what reason Joseph? (uh well that of course is) Tell me what reason you want to do it (well I'm real enthused of the possibility of becoming a new man) And being a new man do you feel it would make you safe? (not necessarily but at least I'd be able to be aware of everything) Right. And then being aware of everything you can gain this and escape this. Now you see we don't look down here and see what our motive is, okay? You see when I say well I give X this moral or whatever it is mental, (intellectual) all right, intellectual is a pretty good word. But I really say well I'll see maybe that'll work better than what I'm doing, so I'm gonna try to do it. For what purpose Joseph? This you see we said what is our purpose? Now we still gonna try and be safe with it huh? Is that right? Okay, huh? Will it gonna do anything or it gonna be this same thing huh? (no we're trapped again) Right. So until you see that this can never be pursued,  and that you could care less about it, you're interested in peace. You have to reevaluate not just agree or disagree, okay? Now you agree with what's been said, but the mind down here says,'Oh yes, but the whole purpose is to gain this' and it just goes right on with it. So you see to really evaluate purpose, means to look it quite clearly at the whole thing and see what I'm really doing.

Black Sun Light Sun (part 4)

No, he was a crook. But he was a conscious crook.(tape inaudible) the one that gets the nod. In reality, in the cosmic world. The conscious man is the one who gets things because always if he's conscious, he's figuring out what's to his advantage, is that right? He's making peace isn't he?And that leads to truth and life. Truth is being conscious is it not? Could you be conscious of something that is unconscious? That wouldn't be truth would it? As far as you're concerned it's just a push that goes on all the time. Now, if we watch this within our minds, we will begin to be conscious of everything we are doing. And our whole purpose is how to see to be conscious. You know how you get that way? You see the necessity of it. And anything you see the necessity of, you do. Now as long as you just see that. 'that's nice' that might be desirable, but if you really make up your mind that you're being conscious, that you're going to choose, you have now ordained the light man. And you have taken the ordination away from the black man. He no longer is runnin' it. It had nothing to do with the color of skin, it's all inside of us. We all got a black man in here and we all got a white one. We have surely neglected the white man until he's nearly starved to death, and we've given the black one all manor of power.Hmm? Is that right? We have ordained him to run the purpose of living,and he has been going after this one, right? And he's got us well headed in this direction. When we take charge and say well let's a little searchin' around and know myself, we will see that the whole purpose is to be conscious. When you're conscious you make all of this conscious along with it. And then you're beginning to be in position to be conscious of this. Be conscious with it, wake it up. Because at the moment, as long as this one is just sending in information, this one is asleep, all that does is do whatever the first impulse gets to it is, if the impulse gets to it, that's what it does. It is capable of everything under the sun. Sometimes it has been recalled as the spirit of God, or what have you. So God is capable of all things isn't it, Hmm? He wouldn't be God if he wasn't. Right? Capable of all things. And, he wouldn't think of harm about it, the information came in, and has no little deal about it. But of course we have invented an erroneous idea, that this is always good. But we also read that one thing we love God, but you turn right around somewheres else, you fear it. You better fear him if he's getting his information from down here, if this one is the ordained one because it'll kill you (laughs) Is that right? Huh? You better fear him. And if he's getting his information here you've every reason to love him, is that right? Because everything's pretty wonderful. Huh? Now is that a contradiction? Or is it simply beginning to see ourselves a little bit. Huh? Right? You got this one sent all the information, you ordained it be in charge and give the power for origination of that power up here, what's gonna happen Joseph? You're gonna go going, gone, you're gonna get sick, die, Is that right? Do you have reason to fear this then it's got all power, right? And it goes to work. If this one is working, you have all reason to love it, because then it will do what is most to your advantage. Because you're conscious of what you're looking for. (more to come)

Black Sun Light Sun (part three)

Now as long as we have this one down here, unconsciously, the one that started off, to gain escape, be safe at all costs, fight, scratch, stick up for our rights, try to be different,  shmooze people, all unconsciously, we getting nowehreres. But once we really set down, 'Lookie here, this thing is getting me nowheres, I'm going to pick as my purpose to be peaceful this moment,'Hmm? Now you may use any one of these at any minute in order to be peaceful, you not use but everything but everything you would do would be conscious, would that be right Joseph? (sounds good) you'd be conscious. But now, your first consciousness is to choose a new purpose. Now you put off the old man and you put on a new one.
Now you have ordained the light man. Hmm? When you just pick up a new purpose, you put him in charge here, you said this the way it operates, huh?And you no longer are givin' this one the ordination of having power, huh?the black man. the black man shouldn't have power. He's to be used, he's very useful on many ways, but he is not to be given power. But every one of us have ordained the black man to have the power, is that about right? Every one of us have ordained him, set him in power, and then we have never reevaluated and taken away his authority, set up a whole new purpose of existence, based on intelligence,  awareness, consciousness,what have you. Now all of this is not conscious, and this up here really is not conscious is it? Now we probably have invented a lot of excellent superstitions about X. First off we always assume that it's good. What ever that may mean. You know it's good. It never does anything bad. But if you should want to kill somebody it will pull the trigger. Do you know how to move a muscle in your finger? (yes) Do you know how to stand up? (um hum)  I want you to stand up, and before you do, I want you to tell me in sequence which is the first, second, third, (audience member says 'I can't) well then you don't know how to stand up (it's automatic) well then it's not automatic, if it's automatic then you'd keep doing it when you're dead, would'nt you? (laughs)Huh? (it's a procedure, I don't have to think about it)then you don't know anything about it do you? You can only be aware that you want to stand up, consciously that you want to stand up, and X will stand you up. If you consciously wanted to kill somebody, including yourself, it'll do that too, wouldn't it? (I don't know that's what you're telling me) Well, uh, did you ever try it? (what?) That whatever asked it to do, consciously it does it, (audience member stammers-uh..I don't know, I'm not familiar with it, how can I be aware of something..) When you're sound asleep (laughs) So the first thing we said were here for is to wake up, right? and to watch the mind was doing, right?(right) So I noticed that when you're conscious of something you let X know it, and X immediatly got the body out of the way, is that right? (I don't know) You don't know, you are so asleep you don't even see what is happening? (that probably right?) Why don't you go to sleep in a bed somewheres? Huh? really, what are you taking up space for? If you can't see that much, huh (well I see what you got on the board,yes) well, obviously everybody sees that. Can you see what's taking place in you, this is what we're interested in. What I got on the board is immaterial, can you see what's taking place in you? ( can you get that out of my face?) (laughs) Can you see what's taking place in you? In other words, when you're aware, conscious of a danger, now if you were not conscious of a this, you wouldn't send any information to X. Now you don't know how to move the body, you just got through discovering that I think(I said it somewhere, but I don't know where it goes) well alright, it goes to something that has some power, is that right? (it causes me to move, yes) And it will do whatever seems to be appropriate from the consciousness that went in, seemingly. Because if it's to jump, cringe, or you felt it was appropriate to shoot, it would shoot, is that right?Hmmhmm? You know, man one of the kids did wrong and we got to get this straightened out, and so everybody comes over reacting up fine, and we have a glorious session, right? Hmm? (and we buy self improvement books)And that all goes here up to this and the more we try fiddling with this. Now does X going to do anything only the information it receives. Now this uh, we such pleasant little ideas that we build up nice superstitions and attribute all sorts of our little earthly morals that we got here. Now, X is complete. Being complete it is capable of all things, right? And if you're going to be complete would you know that you're capable of all things. You capable of murder? Some other human has so therefore you're capable of it, is that right? (right) somebody has been capable of robbing, so every one of us has that potential in us. Anything that any human has done everyone of us has the potential of doing it. Okay? But ordinarily we carry on a beautiful civil war with ourselves, instead of excepting all of us this as being here, we identify with this one for a few days, and we're going to be good this week you know, and so we repress these, we wouldn't even think this thought, if it started even running through our head,(makes a smashing sound) we mash it down, and we got it out of sight now, I didn't even think about it, I didn't think a thing, I haven't hated anybody all week, I'm holding it down. Then someday if somebody gets talking it sounds like it might be alright to do that if all things is in there, you can hate up a storm that week, huh? we're free to do it. Sure we're free to, but when we are getting in here, what are doing, we repress this one. Now, when you get run over a few days you begin to feel sorry for yourself because you just been doing what they want you to all the time, and haven't got to do a thing you want to do. You put this one repressed, and let this one up for a few days, is that right? (right, oh yeah) and now then the civil war is, this one is on the winnin' side and pushin' this one down, the battle's going the other way. Then a few days later, what happens? That got so miserable, the fuzz gets after you and all sorts of things (laughs) you decide No, I better get over here and use this one and be good, regardless of how evil other people are, and so we switch this one down and bring this one up, and ever goes the unending war, a civil war going on within each of us, and as long as that civil war is going on, where do you get after one year, two years, three years, four years, you can study, attend classes, listen to tapes, read notes, and you still back deciding which one you go,because your still trying to be what? Nondisturbed (audience says nondisturbed also)right? Be comfortable at all costs, gonna win So we ride from this side to this one and poor X is still going just whatever this one sums up, if this one is allowed up, this side of the black man is up, and says,' Boy, be goody good this week' while it'll be goody good. And this one comes up, but always there's a conflict between the two, the anxiety, the urgency, the emergency is on hand. Now in self knowledge, if we can stop to look for a moment,  we can see that I am capable of all things. Every blessed one of them inside of me, I can choose which one  I want to use if I am conscious. But there there aren't they? They're everyone there.Somebody has been able thieve, man I've got the possibility. I may not want to use it today, but who knows, someday I may find it very much to my advantage,hmm? I've seen cases when it looked like pretty it was pretty advantageous for somebody do a little snitchin', right? Have you? And I've seen cases where it was rather advantageous for somebody to tell a good lie, to save a life or something like that, to get yourself out of a tight spot, huh Cookie? (laughs) Be a peacemaker you know, blessed are the peacemakers and sometimes the only way to do it is to tell a good fib, huh? So all of these things are used consciously. Now we have set up that there is an ideal, and that the ideal is something called good according to which group that one of us happen to listen to here, ones we were brought up with, right? Now believe and do what you were told by your Authority, authority told you what was good. But did any one of your authorities ever tell you that the whole purpose was to be conscious? (No)Did you? (No) Now anything that you do conscious there is a parable told in a story about a man who had a good job and got fired. The first thing that he did was to cut down all the credtitors bills. And you know he was praised for that because he was conscious of what he was doing he was looking out for himself. He didn't say well I'm going to get mad at that guy who fired me and I am going to cause him all kinds of trouble. I don't want to get out here and start diggin' ditches. I'm going to go around here and get all these guys out here in a good mood with me. Hmmm?That what you do? And he was praised for it wasn't he? Right? He was conscious. Was he good? In the way you have been taught that goodie means?
PLEASE NOTE: the speaker does not mean literally a 'black man' as a person with darkly colored skin. He will state this later on in the talk, I just have not transcribed it in full yet. He means darkness within, instead of light, as in 'enlightenment' .

Black sun Light Sun (part two)

So when I ordain to have power, you know we all hear this beautiful word 'ordain' and it only means what I have chosen to give power to. I ordain either to  this to have the control over me, or I ordain  this one to have the runnin' show. So if I ordain to gain pleasure and escape pain unconsciously, I'm fallin' off a pretty struggle conflict and resistance, which is nothin' but problems and leads to a state called death. Physical, emotional, mental, the whole bit, right down the line to being dead. All we got to do is to decide that unconsciously I'm gonna turn my whole life over to the black man, I'm gonna give him power. So he starts unconsciously reacting to gain all this, you see, away he goes, he has been ordained has power and I gave it to him, nobody else. And then we are under it's control. So the minute I want to be safe, which is what all this amounts to, I have to put up a guard, don't I? You gotta guard, you got an army, and if he's armed guard, then you got a potential war. At least you're not at peace while you're on an armed guard. So if you want to be at peace with your family, you got be,you want to get non disturbed and be safe with all the people around you, that nobody hurts your feelings, you got to be on guard, watching, every minute right? 'Cause one of those kids is liable to scream or holler and upset the whole thing, I've got to be in there and grab it. So there's constant reaction, constant struggle from one moment to the next, and that struggle is of course the vicious cycle, which we are all acquainted with, that goes around until we wind up in the pit where the crocodile awaits, and the scull and cross bones we have over here, so it's a deadly poison. Now that doesn't mean that we've got to eliminate this, it means that we do what, we put conscious control here. We decide that I'm going to see what to use and if I will use these. So I am going to be conscious of what I do. Now as long as we have this purpose that we started with back here to be non disturbed, we unconsciously are going to be reacting, falling down this ever ending struggle. Now after awhile of course every now and then we wake up and look at it, and say,'Oh my goodness, I shouldn't have done that'. And then we might even begin to set up a civil war within ourselves, by trying not to gain these, And obviously you're not trying to gain these, hmm? but you just react. So we decided 'Well I've got to quit trying to be safe!' but you're still workin' on the same principle. So you're gonna be safe by not being safe. You're going to gain pleasure by not trying to gain pleasure. You're going to try to get to sleep by trying to stay awake, and etc. you know. And we sit here and bang away. Now, there is only one possible approach. We choose a new purpose, consciously. The first, the fundamental principle is that once a decision is made is the rule of attitude/action until that decision is consciously looked at and reevaluated. So if we reevaluate it, we see that is no matter which and how we start going at it, we are going to be in a constant struggle. So instead we might pick up and say, look my whole purpose is to be at peace this moment. That's not very long is it? Hmm? Just this moment I can be at peace. If I'm going to peace I must be conscious of what I'm doing. Begin to use it every moment. Huh? You could be at peace this moment couldn't you? Hmm? Now all day that might be difficult. Tryin' to be non disturbed by being peaceful. But just to be peaceful this moment we have picked out a whole new purpose of existance.

Black Sun Light Sun (part one)

The first thing that might that be of interest to us when we take our time to leave whatever job,be uncomfortable and what have you, is to consider what are we doing here. Now if we care to gather up a whole bunch of notes and tape recordings so that you can learn a lot, you probably will waste your time. If we will kind of watch going on inside your head, as we try and bring forth a viewpoint of which we have based in many kinds of superstitions and what have you, you might find it extremely useful to you. What really goes on in the mind is of very great importance to us, and if we are totally unaware of it we might as well be sound asleep in a comfortable bed somewhere. Now when we bring up various propositions you will find that the mind does certain things with it if you are observing the mind. Now if you are busy taking notes of course you will be careful getting your notes down accurately. If you're watching your tape recorder to be sure it's running right, while you will also know about your tape but you won't know what's going on inside you. Now you may make all the notes you like, run all the tape recorders you want, we have no objection. But we are suggesting that first we see what we are here for. Because if all we wanted was notes, you might as well of sent the tape recorder and stayed at home. You know? It would have been easier. I'd give the same talk, it's alright. So what we first want to know is what we are doing here is to know ourselves better. The self is the mind. We have more than one mind working, so we say one thing and a proposition comes up and three or four things begins to play with it. Now we will try to observe these. If a question comes up write it down, don't but in at the moment. Wait until the talk is over and then we will at the end of every talk discuss questions to the fullest extent that we can discuss them. Also will you please ask the question while we are in the session instead of waiting until the session is over because usually we find that there are gobs of questions in between talks and not to many at the talks. So there will not be any questions entertained between talks only during a conference session and when that is over there will be a few minutes to relax, rest,  and we'll start over again. We have to let these soft chairs relax a little bit now and then, you know?So please ask your questions during the time while we are working on them. Now the other thing that we would ask is that there is a great number of people in the room so will you please not smoke. I like to smoke as well as anybody but lets don't smoke when there's a great crowd of people in a small room, okay? Then we can all divulge outside, contaminate the atmosphere, in between times, but not inside the room, if you will please. Okay?
 The first subject is, is what is our purpose? Now we have the picture of man which we are all well acquainted with I'm sure. So we have the basic decisions in the center which is the subconscious mind. Now we'll never get rid of the subconscious mind but we can make it conscious. But all of the ideas that it contains will be present with us. Now seemingly that many people have felt that they could get rid of it, but those ideas are still there and they will be useful for many occasions. The point is that that we be conscious when we use them. In other words if I want to have my way now, and the way to do it is to do a little complaining let's complain consciously because if we do it consciously you know exactly what we are doing and you don't get yourself all involved with it, it is rather a game. sometimes it is the only way you can get things going is to do a little complaining. It is not usually the method of choice, but there is rare occasions when it works very adequately. The next one is it is important to stick up for my rights. I haven't found an occasion for it in a long time, but I don't know it may be, at least I still know about the principle and I can use it if ever that should occur. The one on pleasing people, we may use once in a while too, sometimes it's very useful, but I'm not doing it because I feel a compulsion to do it, I do it because it is conscious because it works better for me that way. Sometimes it works pretty good don't it? did you ever try it?
The other one is believe and do what I am told by my authorities. When we're driving down the highway it's a pretty good idea to use it. Sometimes otherwise you can kind of kid them that you're going along and it keeps things a lot quieter and more subtle. The other one says' I ought to be different ' of course who knows, it ususally doesn't work that way but if we can consciously know that it is there and the one with the blaming we can also be conscious. Now somewheres along the way this is called the subconscious and it's been called in certain literature the Black Sun. The Black man that's in everybody. We also have the awareness which is the one that is conscious of what's going on. Which is the one that we use so seldom until after the fact you know, uh we gonna wake up after a while and say,'Oh yeah, I see what I did' but that doesn't do any good much. It is whether we use it at the moment or not. And if I am conscious and want to use one of these,that's fine. If I want to gain pleasure and escape pain that's fine. On a physical level you'd better believe I do. But not at all costs. Because sometimes the way of getting rid of a pain temporarily is more expensive than the others. So you can figure out the cost do you want to go that way or not. Do you want some attention? We'd starve to death if we didn't get some attention. So we want to get it but use conscious means to get it. We want to have some approval, most of us  like it pretty well, do we ever use conscious means to get it, or do we feel entitled to it, you know, you want some approval  well you proceed to get it wherever you like.
So whether we want feel important, or the power control certain situations we want to be in..